A lot of threads have started after crucible patch whining about the new PI taxes (and base prices). The whining focuses on the fact that staying with the NPC-corp customs offices in null and low means drastically increased production costs. Also, the only way to reduce this costs is to run player owned custom offices (POCOS) and they cost ISK and can be destroyed by a small gang.

Guess what, it was intended! And it was great buff to small gang warfare.

Stop the whining bears. Pay the price and adapt GÇô and keep up the good job CCP.

The OP read my mind. This is a buff to anti pies and pirates alike.

Well this sums up me, small scale PI losec production from casual player. I haven't the time to protect a POCO, nor is my Corp active enough to support one (we all have busy RL committements). I think it could work if there was options to make the POCO a bit more like a POS and have the option of better defense and some offense.

As far as shooting the POCO's in nullsec - we tried with two pilots..it's not going to happen again. It's like shooting a small POS.

As far as putting our own POCO's in a class 2 or higher wormhole ...thats not going to happen, you can get enough BS's in to take it down.

However a class 1 wormhole with the mass restriction....we will get all new POCO's as fast as possible. I doubt a fleet of t3 is going to find shooting multiple POCO's entertaining.

And as other's said lowsec POCO's will be rare.

It seemed to be a step in the right direction but i think it might backfire.

The opportunity to screw with your enemies is there for anyone who can get more then a few BS's together. The opportunity for profit is there if lowsec types can entice builders and PIers to work in thier lowsec and protect them. - kind of doubt that will happen

My conclusion ? ...I'm confused as hell

i dont see pirate gangs shooting everyone in sight

i see corps building (and defending !) a poco network to gain a steady income from it

think positive everyone !

It's been said multiple times in the pages preceding this one, but unless prices do in fact increase proportionally to the new cost of doing business it won't make much sense to keep dodging you tough guys in lowsec anymore.

It's all going to depend on how high prices go up as a result, if they go up significantly and they almost certainly will (God I hope so) then you'll continue to see me motoring between all of my planets in lowsec again. If not, then well I'll keep missioning an hour or two a night until boredom wins.

well, these corps could have their own (super)caps ;)

Pretty quickly actually. I had an Alt export from 5 planets the other day and paid about 3 million isk in taxes. This is going to be something for Industrial Corporations that live in Lowsec systems already, with Towers.

If you have 10 or 20 guys in a corp doing PI the taxes add up.

No, I meant the tax savings you get by giving yopur corp members 0%. A corp of modest size whose members do PI will see enough savings to make it worthwhile I believe.

I concur this does nothing for solo players. But I do not expect MMOs to cater to solo players. Solo activities in Eve include ratting and missions in hisec, station trading, etc. Production has usually been more group focused.

Why would you possibly make that comparison? Those rates are gone. That is like complaining about the price of gasoline based on what it was in 1950.

You have two choices in Low/Null... Put up a POCO (up front costs) or pay Interbus rates forever. That is the cost comparison to make. Your third/passive option is to hope someone else puts up a POCO and gives you a good rate, really only possible if you are in a player corp. If you are in an NPC corp you will pay Neutral rates at all POCOs regardless of your standings with the owner.